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« on: June 03, 2006, 05:52:10 AM »

Last night, around 9:00, we watching a movie with the kids when the doorbell rang.

It was our friends 13 year old son. He was visably upset and said he had just had a huge fight with his parents, and then he ran away from home!

We used to be very close with the parents, and have known thier son since he was a baby. But, now we only see them 1-2 times a year now. Because, over the years the dad has become a raging alcoholic, and spends ALL of his free time at a bar. Meanwhile, the Mom works, does everthing for the home and thier son, and is always complaining about being broke (because the Dad drinks all thier $).    

We had a small barbeque for Memorial Day, and they came. Well actually, thier son came, and explained the \"Dad was drunk, and had been at the bar all day, and Mom was sleeping.\" He then proceeded to tell me that he is home alone all of the time while and his parents are at the bar evey night until 3 AM, even on work & school nights, that they always get drunk and yell, and throw shoes (or whatever they have handy) at him!?!?

2 hours later the parents showed up, and the Dad was drunk (as usual).

A couple of years ago I tried to gently discuss the fact that he is an Alcoholic with the Mom. She is from a different culture, and I seriously think she had no idea what I was talking about.  

Now, thier son\'s life is falling apart due to the drinking and neglect. He has been acting out, sneaking out, running away... We have siad for years that the kid needs counseling and dicipline, beuae he is really a hand ful...

Last night running away to our house really brought us in to the middle of thier family problems.    

The Dad had been at the bar and was 2 hours late getting home to pick them up for dinner out. Then, because he was drunk, he didn\'t want to go to the restaraunt he had promised. The Mom offered to drive, but he was drunk, and they wound up in a huge fight, with  the Dad speeding away, leaving them at home with no dinner. He blames his Mom for what the Dad does... It is such a sad situation.

So, I fed him some leftovers from our dinner, gave him a few minutes to cool down, while I called his Mom and told her to come and get him.

He did not want to leave, and said that he is going to get a \"restraining order\"  or \"run away and live in the woods.\"

I don\'t want to get involved in thier problems, but now I feel like I have been dragged in, and I am afraid he will do this again...
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2006, 10:26:45 AM »

Boy that is a tough one.  As  a teacher, if I knew or even suspected abuse was happening I would have to report it as a mandatory reporter.  So tell someone at school exactly what\'s happened.  If what the son is saying is all true, he needs out of there now.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2006, 10:36:17 AM »

hug  to your family and especially to him.  I agree with Jen - he does need to get out of that environment if at all possible.  I am not surprised that he wants to run away.

At the moment, if the local school has a chapter of Alateen that may be of some benefit - at the very least he will know that he is not alone.

http://www.al-anon.alateen.org/
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2006, 07:38:15 PM »

I know how frustrated and helpless you must feel...
for what it\'s worth I can relate a little bit.  When we first moved there my mom was traveling all week and my dad was full into his alcoholism and was rarely home and some nights did not come home at all.

As I\'m sure you remember my brother was having trouble dealing with that and puberty and was getting into fights all the time with local kids (and to top it all off we kept it all a big family secret from the world!)

I think for him at 13 he is going through what my brother went through and from being witness to that I know it is scary and rough.  I don\'t know if he\'d be open to this but there are actually groups set up for children of alcoholics where they can deal and talk about all this stuff with other kids that are going through the same thing.  I\'m sure it\'s something I would have balked at but if you feel like getting involved you might want to research that and give him some literature and ideas.  I used to carry this \'adult children of alcoholics\' book around like a bible even when I was young before, during and after teen years.  

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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2006, 05:48:03 PM »

That is a tough situation. It sounds like it was a Divine Appointment that you were home and the boy came to your house. The suggestions so far sound right on to me, FWIW, and I\'d like to add, that in my experience, the thing at this point that you can do, w/o fear of any legal repercussions, is to be there and let the boy have SOMEONE to talk to. Do you report it all now? I don\'t know. My son is 13, and I tried to imagine him in that situation. God knows he would be a mess. If you were interested, there might be a way you could \"Foster\" him, at least for a little while? But it seems like I\"ve heard before that we can\'t change the parents, but we can be there for the kids, if at all possible.
I might be totally wrong, but that is my opinion.
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2006, 05:59:19 AM »

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the thing at this point that you can do, w/o fear of any legal repercussions, is to be there and let the boy have SOMEONE to talk to. Do you report it all now? I don\'t know. My son is 13, and I tried to imagine him in that situation. God knows he would be a mess. If you were interested, there might be a way you could \"Foster\" him, at least for a little while? abbie


Worrying about legal repurcussions is something that has been really running through my head. I just don\'t know what to do... They do a good job of keeping thier family problems to themselves. If any authorities were to \"appear\" they would surely know... DH is really caught between a rock and a hard place. He grew up with the Dad, they were neighbors and best friends thier entire lives (until a few years ago when he started drinking too much). I still can\'t believe that the Dad has not gotten a DUI yet, after years of nightly drunk driving...  Scary.

School is out for summer now, so I don\'t think I have any way of getting him any help there until next school year...

I am not a big advocate of medicating kids, but on top of everything else, he really has some serious behavior problems (maybe adhd?) He started getting in to a lot of trouble in school as young as 3\'rd grade. In 5\'th grade he was suspendeded from school for a whole week, he came here instead of staying home alone all day, every day, as his parents had originally planned. By the end of the week I was about ready for the loony bin!

He is also a bad influence on my kids, so I really have to limit the amount of exposure they have to him. It usually takes about 3 days for my boys to \"get over\" a day with him...

He is hyperactive and seeks attention through obnoxious, sometimes outright rude behavior. He is very disrepectful to pretty much all adults, except for me & DH, who he actually seems to respect, and listen too.    

On Saturday night, my parents had offerred to have the boys sleep over at thier house, so DH and could go to friends college graduation party. Just out of couriosity, on our way home, around 1:00 AM, we drove through the parking lot of the bar where the parents practically. BOTH thier cars were there, meaning the son was home alone till all hours - again!  mad We were shocked - obviously Friday night meant nothing to them!!!
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2006, 10:23:52 AM »

I would suggest looking into the Child Protective Agencies in your area. You can \"Hypothetically\" and anonymously call & ask them some Q\'s. But at this point, IMHO, the parents are a moot point.
They are in control of the cr@ppy life they have. The kids are another story.
And, yes, It\'s altogether possible that the boys\' behavioral problems are related to the home situation. In fact, it\'s likely.
I hope I don\'t have to make a decision like that any time soon, but really, you might call a treatment center, and ask them about ALANON. The ppl in Alanon know how to deal with the insanity (W/o letting it pull them under), and sometimes they know how to NOT deal.
If you\'ve ever been to a petstore, and noticed how the (dogs, especially) act when out of their cages?pulling hair How they\'re all crazy and freaking out? Well, that\'s b/c they\'ve been in that little cage for much too long and they\'re delighted to be OUT and interacting w/ someone. Once they\'re out for a while, they settle right down. smile
My point is, that the boy is likely to have much less problems if he were in a position to get enough sleep, healthy food regularly, and some stability, and kindness. Children are like a warning siren for how their parents are doing, inside. If mine freak out for a little bit  I have to wonder if there\'s something *I* am doing or going thru, that they\'re upset about?

It\'s gotta be a tough call. I\'ll pray for you all.
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2006, 03:30:25 PM »

Well, last night the S*** hit the fan AGAIN. He ran away, and showed up at our door, again, this time bleeding.

This time, the Dad was at work, and the son had gotten in to a bad fight with the Mom. Supposedly she threw the computer at him, and then he bit her and slammed her against the wall. She is a tiny woman, about 5 ft, 90 lbs and he is about 5ft.3, 100 lbs…

DH called the Dad on his cell phone; meanwhile the Son used our phone to call his grandmother.

Then I called the Mom, who said “throw him out, tell him to walk home, and that he is not welcome there anymore!” I said “I really think that the 3 of you need to get in to family counseling.” She said “F*** that, I will be there in 5 minutes.”  WTF?!?! So she gets here, refuses to step inside our house, and then the Dad pulls up… She says “Good let him deal with this S*** - I am out of here!” and leaves!

Meanwhile, I am on the phone with the 67 year old, grandmother who is sobbing, saying she can’t take the fighting anymore, and she is afraid her grandson is going to end up in a group home. Then she went on to fill me in on a lot of things about the Mom that I never would have imagined, claiming that she does beat him, that she has tried to stop the crazy mess before, but she is 67 and not well health wise…

Well, then DH and I sent all of the kids upstairs to play a video game while we sat down and talked to the Dad. He was in tears, saying that the reason he takes off to the bar every night is because he cannot handle her… That she is violent towards him and the son… He is very open to family counseling, but she is not… We had a real heart to heart with him, and I believe if he got sober, he could save their family…

I am in complete shock. She used to be one of my closest friends. I never in a million years would have imagined this could be more her doing than the alcoholic Dad…

I am so depressed about the whole thing; I just don’t know what to do…

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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2006, 03:44:23 PM »

Legally, the child is still a minor, and the Child Protectin Agency is where I\'d be going first thing. Easy? No, maybe not, but the RIGHT THING seems to be difficult most of the time. Funny I was reading something the other day about a woman wondering what or IF she should say or do about a pregnant woman hurting her child....
IMHO, the \"don\'t get involved\" mentality is a cryin\' shame, and probably why we have so many freaks today.
I\'m not saying that you are wrong if you don\'t go to the CPS. I can\'t say what I\'d do, in your shoes. I hope you will consider that, though.
I hope you will be able to keep calm in the midst of this storm. PM me if you want to talk....abbie sad

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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2006, 04:18:45 PM »

I have to agree - this boy is being abused right and left and has no parent present physically or otherwise to look out for him.  You can\'t do it; this is bigger than your family.

hug I\'m sorry for all of you going through this.

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Legally, the child is still a minor, and the Child Protectin Agency is where I\'d be going first thing. Easy? No, maybe not, but the RIGHT THING seems to be difficult most of the time. Funny I was reading something the other day about a woman wondering what or IF she should say or do about a pregnant woman hurting her child....
IMHO, the \"don\'t et involved\" mentality is a cryin\' shame, and probably why we have so many freaks today.
I\'m not saying that you are wrong if you don\'t go to the CPS. I can\'t say what I\'d do, in your shoes. I hope you will consider that, though.
I hope you will be able to keep calm in the midst of this storm. PM me if you want to talk....abbie sad
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2006, 05:57:24 PM »

Hey, Jenn;
Are things quieting down for now? Wondering how things are in your corner of the world?
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